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		<title>By: Chuck Riffenburg</title>
		<link>http://theimageoffish.com/2010/01/11/ethics-eschatology-and-avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Riffenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Theology of Ecology or&#160;ideals of stewardship&#160;do not necessarily dictate a strict employment of nonviolent resistance techniques. This argument is akin to standing there watching your family get killed because fighting back would be to embrace a violent reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Theology of Ecology or&nbsp;ideals of stewardship&nbsp;do not necessarily dictate a strict employment of nonviolent resistance techniques. This argument is akin to standing there watching your family get killed because fighting back would be to embrace a violent reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know too much about the Friends nor process theology but I do wonder why you want (or even think it possible) to separate the eschaton from this discussion about God&#039;s justice. &#160;It&#039;s not so much about Jesus defeating our enemies as it is defeating his own enemies. &#160;The view of God&#039;s justice you&#039;re proposing sounds very akin to the Enlightenment project, especially when the role of the Spirit &amp; the Son of Man&#039;s return is downplayed in creation&#039;s restoration. &#160;Also, I don&#039;t think evangelicals these days will share your view that realized eschatology is mutually exclusive to a literal second coming.
Help me understand.
@Rhoda This post was not so much about beauty (as your word &quot;better&quot; suggests) as it was about truth. &#160;But thank you for providing another example of ad hominem attacks to put in our satchels. &#160;We need these for illustrative purposes when teaching logic to inquiring minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know too much about the Friends nor process theology but I do wonder why you want (or even think it possible) to separate the eschaton from this discussion about God&#39;s justice. &nbsp;It&#39;s not so much about Jesus defeating our enemies as it is defeating his own enemies. &nbsp;The view of God&#39;s justice you&#39;re proposing sounds very akin to the Enlightenment project, especially when the role of the Spirit &amp; the Son of Man&#39;s return is downplayed in creation&#39;s restoration. &nbsp;Also, I don&#39;t think evangelicals these days will share your view that realized eschatology is mutually exclusive to a literal second coming.<br />
Help me understand.<br />
@Rhoda This post was not so much about beauty (as your word &quot;better&quot; suggests) as it was about truth. &nbsp;But thank you for providing another example of ad hominem attacks to put in our satchels. &nbsp;We need these for illustrative purposes when teaching logic to inquiring minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Thoughts on Avatar :Carlos Hernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Thoughts on Avatar :Carlos Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pantheism, that right-wingers see the movie as an anti-military, anti-America parable, that others see it as a glorification of redemptive violence, and that even video game players are railing against the dig against them offered via the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://theimageoffish.com/2010/01/11/ethics-eschatology-and-avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The setting of the movie is in the future 2154.  There is a reference made that there is no longer any green left on planet earth. Our illness for mass consumption and destruction apparently grows.  Seems that some making decisions within our future military apparatus are willing to continue to do whatever it takes, including killing anyone in their path and destroying cultures in order to feed their hunger for power.   Jake is  aware that this powerful heavily weaponized force will stop at nothing.  The Na&#039;vi people are at least distrustful and somewhat hostile toward the dreamwalkers -- though it unclear if they are aware of the history.  The Na&#039;vi people do ultimately learn of their invaders power and destruction as they watch their sacred tree destroyed.
What sort of non-violent action could you possibly imagine as the tanks began rolling in.   By that point its too late.  Their only hope was to defend themselves.  Neither Jake nor the Na&#039;vi people premeditated a bloody revolt against capitalism as you stated.  They were protecting their lives, their culture and their land against a direct assault. I cannot remember any examples of Jake or the Na&#039;vi people acting for the sake of retribution.  

For me this movie was many things including a wake up call and a  cautionary tale.  What the so- called bad guys were doing in this movie is not a far cry from what our members of the military have been commanded to do for sometime.  We rape and destroy people&#039;s sacred land and kill innocent people.  We need to recognize it and take responsibility for it.  The cautionary tale for me is, those that might possibly be capable of stopping the destruction of our earth and entire cultures need to be doing all we can, otherwise innocent people are forced into the position of defending themselves or dying.

Jake doubted that his prayer would be answered and acknowledged to the tree that he was acting out of desperation.  Neytiri educates him that this is not how Eywa, their goddess works.  She says Eywa does not choose sides, she finds balance.  What transpires is a miracle--as they exist in many religions and cultures-- those things stories and folklores are made of.  You said that the message was that we should passively wait for some supernatural force to save us.  The Na&#039;vi were not living in this manner.  They were living in balance with their environment.  They saw life and their world as sacred.  They built supportive communities.  When they had no other choice but  to defend themselves they did.  

I did, to some degree, agree with David Brooks critique that the movie smelled of the white messiah male saves the native people.  On the other hand I do think their is an important message even with this decision.   Jake was a military man himself that was broken and then transformed by &#039;seeing&#039; another culture.   A people that if he were on assignment would have been following commands to shoot and kill.   Because of his connection and understanding of  the invading army he was able to protect the Na&#039;vi from being dessimated.   A message is that it is most effective for people within a culture, that understand a culture, to have an influence in ending their own cultures&#039; destructive tendencies.  Imagine if Grace had spoken in defense of the Na&#039;vi sooner.  Imagine if Jake had not been so desperate to walk and then exploited with a promise for surgery.   What if more of the military folk learned to see and appreciate the Na&#039;vi or spent more time in the forest.  

Having said all of this, I do agree that it did have a comic book or fairy tale quality of good vs. bad.  But for me the imagery and message of life, nature and balance as sacred were more powerful than the good vs bad storyline.   It was the justaposition of the sterility of the lab and the concrete landing area to the beauty of the natural world.   Other imagery - tanks and giant man controlled robots  within the context of the beautiful forest seeking out super condensed natural energy to quickly expend and continue to be too powerful and destructive.  I&#039;ll stop there for now.  I didn&#039;t spend enough time trying to understand your perspective,  obviously I liked the movie and the message alot.   Paul hasn&#039;t seen it yet.  I may even go a second time with him,  I&#039;ll let you know if my opinion changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The setting of the movie is in the future 2154.  There is a reference made that there is no longer any green left on planet earth. Our illness for mass consumption and destruction apparently grows.  Seems that some making decisions within our future military apparatus are willing to continue to do whatever it takes, including killing anyone in their path and destroying cultures in order to feed their hunger for power.   Jake is  aware that this powerful heavily weaponized force will stop at nothing.  The Na&#8217;vi people are at least distrustful and somewhat hostile toward the dreamwalkers &#8212; though it unclear if they are aware of the history.  The Na&#8217;vi people do ultimately learn of their invaders power and destruction as they watch their sacred tree destroyed.<br />
What sort of non-violent action could you possibly imagine as the tanks began rolling in.   By that point its too late.  Their only hope was to defend themselves.  Neither Jake nor the Na&#8217;vi people premeditated a bloody revolt against capitalism as you stated.  They were protecting their lives, their culture and their land against a direct assault. I cannot remember any examples of Jake or the Na&#8217;vi people acting for the sake of retribution.  </p>
<p>For me this movie was many things including a wake up call and a  cautionary tale.  What the so- called bad guys were doing in this movie is not a far cry from what our members of the military have been commanded to do for sometime.  We rape and destroy people&#8217;s sacred land and kill innocent people.  We need to recognize it and take responsibility for it.  The cautionary tale for me is, those that might possibly be capable of stopping the destruction of our earth and entire cultures need to be doing all we can, otherwise innocent people are forced into the position of defending themselves or dying.</p>
<p>Jake doubted that his prayer would be answered and acknowledged to the tree that he was acting out of desperation.  Neytiri educates him that this is not how Eywa, their goddess works.  She says Eywa does not choose sides, she finds balance.  What transpires is a miracle&#8211;as they exist in many religions and cultures&#8211; those things stories and folklores are made of.  You said that the message was that we should passively wait for some supernatural force to save us.  The Na&#8217;vi were not living in this manner.  They were living in balance with their environment.  They saw life and their world as sacred.  They built supportive communities.  When they had no other choice but  to defend themselves they did.  </p>
<p>I did, to some degree, agree with David Brooks critique that the movie smelled of the white messiah male saves the native people.  On the other hand I do think their is an important message even with this decision.   Jake was a military man himself that was broken and then transformed by &#8216;seeing&#8217; another culture.   A people that if he were on assignment would have been following commands to shoot and kill.   Because of his connection and understanding of  the invading army he was able to protect the Na&#8217;vi from being dessimated.   A message is that it is most effective for people within a culture, that understand a culture, to have an influence in ending their own cultures&#8217; destructive tendencies.  Imagine if Grace had spoken in defense of the Na&#8217;vi sooner.  Imagine if Jake had not been so desperate to walk and then exploited with a promise for surgery.   What if more of the military folk learned to see and appreciate the Na&#8217;vi or spent more time in the forest.  </p>
<p>Having said all of this, I do agree that it did have a comic book or fairy tale quality of good vs. bad.  But for me the imagery and message of life, nature and balance as sacred were more powerful than the good vs bad storyline.   It was the justaposition of the sterility of the lab and the concrete landing area to the beauty of the natural world.   Other imagery &#8211; tanks and giant man controlled robots  within the context of the beautiful forest seeking out super condensed natural energy to quickly expend and continue to be too powerful and destructive.  I&#8217;ll stop there for now.  I didn&#8217;t spend enough time trying to understand your perspective,  obviously I liked the movie and the message alot.   Paul hasn&#8217;t seen it yet.  I may even go a second time with him,  I&#8217;ll let you know if my opinion changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhoda Brubaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhoda Brubaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so it would have been a better movie if they would have all sat down at the tree of life, plugged in their hair, and churned up so much power that the evil capitalist humans would have been met with a force field that stopped them in their tracks, disabled their equipment and changed their minds.  Oh that would have made a great movie.  Thank goodness I did not go to this movie with you.  I would have cringed just walking in with you in your ghetto hat and scruffy beard.  Ah, relax a bit, dude.  Bring your arms down from flailing in the stratosphear, close your mouth, take off your hat (you&#039;re in your office for goodness sakes!) and see that for once there is a main stream movie that looked for things good and kind, generous, selfless (on the part of Trudy).  Perhaps if you took that hat off and let your freak-flag fly, improve the circulation to the contents of your cranium, you could see the beauty, the suggestion of connection and incredible creativity.  You must be looking for the 3D movie about Jesus of Nazareth.  Reminds me of the book &quot;Lamb&quot; by Christopher Moore.  Now that book should be made into a 3D movie! One more thing, I could not help but notice, as your hands were diving and flapping that they have not done a days physical work in a very long time, if ever.  You need to get a shovel and dig in the dirt, get a blister or two, break some honest sweat.  You may get a new perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so it would have been a better movie if they would have all sat down at the tree of life, plugged in their hair, and churned up so much power that the evil capitalist humans would have been met with a force field that stopped them in their tracks, disabled their equipment and changed their minds.  Oh that would have made a great movie.  Thank goodness I did not go to this movie with you.  I would have cringed just walking in with you in your ghetto hat and scruffy beard.  Ah, relax a bit, dude.  Bring your arms down from flailing in the stratosphear, close your mouth, take off your hat (you&#8217;re in your office for goodness sakes!) and see that for once there is a main stream movie that looked for things good and kind, generous, selfless (on the part of Trudy).  Perhaps if you took that hat off and let your freak-flag fly, improve the circulation to the contents of your cranium, you could see the beauty, the suggestion of connection and incredible creativity.  You must be looking for the 3D movie about Jesus of Nazareth.  Reminds me of the book &#8220;Lamb&#8221; by Christopher Moore.  Now that book should be made into a 3D movie! One more thing, I could not help but notice, as your hands were diving and flapping that they have not done a days physical work in a very long time, if ever.  You need to get a shovel and dig in the dirt, get a blister or two, break some honest sweat.  You may get a new perspective.</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by theimageoffish: Ethics, Eschatology, and &quot;Avatar.&quot; Some theological concerns about the current blockbuster: http://ow.ly/V3uz...</description>
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		<title>By: Jesse Turri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Turri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callid, great analysis. I saw the redemptive violence suggestion in the movie as well and it made me very sad. There was no justice or redemption, just the circular comic book style narrative like you said. Nothing was finished, the bad guy was punished and the movie ends. No transformation and no reconciliation. That&#039;s not the story that I live in. Thanks for the post!

Shalom,
Jesse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callid, great analysis. I saw the redemptive violence suggestion in the movie as well and it made me very sad. There was no justice or redemption, just the circular comic book style narrative like you said. Nothing was finished, the bad guy was punished and the movie ends. No transformation and no reconciliation. That&#8217;s not the story that I live in. Thanks for the post!</p>
<p>Shalom,<br />
Jesse</p>
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