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		<title>By: Jesse Turri</title>
		<link>http://theimageoffish.com/2009/11/20/what-is-postmodernity/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Turri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Callid! Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Callid</title>
		<link>http://theimageoffish.com/2009/11/20/what-is-postmodernity/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Callid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Greg  Missed you up there...  I talk about “daring to transgress” a bunch.  I come at much of this work thinking like an artist and poet, and I find that transgression is necessary to forward though, or, to get away from the &quot;marching always forward&quot; metaphor, transgression is necessary to engage the mystery, calling it out.  I may very well talk about this art/transgression/mystery thing next.  I&#039;m a fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg  Missed you up there&#8230;  I talk about “daring to transgress” a bunch.  I come at much of this work thinking like an artist and poet, and I find that transgression is necessary to forward though, or, to get away from the &#8220;marching always forward&#8221; metaphor, transgression is necessary to engage the mystery, calling it out.  I may very well talk about this art/transgression/mystery thing next.  I&#8217;m a fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Callid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Blake Thanks for the compliments and the encouragement. 

@Matt  Thanks for the info.  I may very well make use of ye olde librario to get at some of those fine monographs.

@Lindsey  Oh man.  The mom and dad oh no pomo convo.  Tough stuff.   If I&#039;m being at all successful in my attempt here then it should accomplish something...   Let me know how it goes.  And thanks for the down-to-earth comment.  I try to be that way.  I find that not taking myself or my work too seriously helps.  I love to play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blake Thanks for the compliments and the encouragement. </p>
<p>@Matt  Thanks for the info.  I may very well make use of ye olde librario to get at some of those fine monographs.</p>
<p>@Lindsey  Oh man.  The mom and dad oh no pomo convo.  Tough stuff.   If I&#8217;m being at all successful in my attempt here then it should accomplish something&#8230;   Let me know how it goes.  And thanks for the down-to-earth comment.  I try to be that way.  I find that not taking myself or my work too seriously helps.  I love to play.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that wonderful model!  I have a feeling I might be whipping this video out at Thanksgiving because I&#039;ve already had one phone call to my parents where I unsuccessfully tried to describe post-modernism.  I really appreciate your down-to-earth approach!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that wonderful model!  I have a feeling I might be whipping this video out at Thanksgiving because I&#8217;ve already had one phone call to my parents where I unsuccessfully tried to describe post-modernism.  I really appreciate your down-to-earth approach!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callid,
I especially liked the phrase you used &quot;daring to transgress&quot; when speaking of Jesus&#039; approach to listening.  It seems that Christ&#039;s constant willingness to break the mold, the bring the conversation to a higher level, beyond the &quot;either/or&quot; to the &quot;both/and&quot; is increasingly more relevant and attuned to postmodern culture.  This idea of &quot;transgressing&quot; or &quot;stepping across&quot; is usually associated in a negative context, with some sense of violation of law or a legally set boundary.  Here we see it as a freeing expression, the &quot;daring&quot; merely expressing the courage of &quot;crossing the line&quot; as your model showed.

Thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callid,<br />
I especially liked the phrase you used &#8220;daring to transgress&#8221; when speaking of Jesus&#8217; approach to listening.  It seems that Christ&#8217;s constant willingness to break the mold, the bring the conversation to a higher level, beyond the &#8220;either/or&#8221; to the &#8220;both/and&#8221; is increasingly more relevant and attuned to postmodern culture.  This idea of &#8220;transgressing&#8221; or &#8220;stepping across&#8221; is usually associated in a negative context, with some sense of violation of law or a legally set boundary.  Here we see it as a freeing expression, the &#8220;daring&#8221; merely expressing the courage of &#8220;crossing the line&#8221; as your model showed.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gallion</title>
		<link>http://theimageoffish.com/2009/11/20/what-is-postmodernity/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Gallion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what so much of those ended up as a link. I suck at html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what so much of those ended up as a link. I suck at html.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gallion</title>
		<link>http://theimageoffish.com/2009/11/20/what-is-postmodernity/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Gallion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I&#039;m not suggesting that everyone gets messed up and gets kind of all in everyone else&#039;s business; that&#039;s what you should do. I&#039;m saying that &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; what is happening.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Brilliant explanation. I typically get asked to explain the postmodern &quot;rejection of truth.&quot; Most often, I try to point out that postmodernism doesn&#039;t doubt truth, it doubts objectivity, and particularly the objective &quot;Enlightened-I&quot; of the modern era. 

I like the way you apply this philosophy to Christianity. It all comes down to humility and &quot;generous orthodoxy&quot; within a slightly evolved sort of postmodernism. In fact, I think the Christian faith effectively embraces (maybe one would use the word &quot;redeems&quot;) postmodernism from what McLaren calls &quot;antimodernism&quot; (meaning the utterly nihilistic, absolutely relativistic thoughts of the earliest forms of postmodernism &lt;i&gt;à la&lt;/i&gt; Nietzsche, et al.) As far as the resources I like to refer to concerning such conversations:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Intuitive-Leadership-Embracing-Narrative-communities/dp/0801068134/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258810572&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Intuitive Leadership&lt;/i&gt; by Tim Keel&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 
Keel explains the differences between modern thought and postmodernism throughout to make his case for a more organic, more narrative and community driven form of leadership (before &quot;organic&quot; was too much a buzzword).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Missing-Point-Culture-Controlled-Neutered/dp/0310267137/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258810718&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Adventures in Missing the Point&lt;/i&gt; by Tony Campolo and Brian McLaren
McLaren&#039;s chapter on postmodernism is awesome, accessible, and brilliant.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Justice-Project-Brian-McLaren/dp/0801013283/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258810792&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Justice Project&lt;/i&gt; by Brian McLaren, Elisa Padilla, and Ashley Bunting Seeeber, et al.
Tony J&#039;s chapter is an excellent intro to deconstruction that manages to not get too heady. I know you&#039;ve linked to it already on this blog, but one can read Tony&#039;s chapter &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.tonyj.net/2009/11/books-ive-worked-on-recently-part-one/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I&#8217;m not suggesting that everyone gets messed up and gets kind of all in everyone else&#8217;s business; that&#8217;s what you should do. I&#8217;m saying that <b>is</b> what is happening.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Brilliant explanation. I typically get asked to explain the postmodern &#8220;rejection of truth.&#8221; Most often, I try to point out that postmodernism doesn&#8217;t doubt truth, it doubts objectivity, and particularly the objective &#8220;Enlightened-I&#8221; of the modern era. </p>
<p>I like the way you apply this philosophy to Christianity. It all comes down to humility and &#8220;generous orthodoxy&#8221; within a slightly evolved sort of postmodernism. In fact, I think the Christian faith effectively embraces (maybe one would use the word &#8220;redeems&#8221;) postmodernism from what McLaren calls &#8220;antimodernism&#8221; (meaning the utterly nihilistic, absolutely relativistic thoughts of the earliest forms of postmodernism <i>à la</i> Nietzsche, et al.) As far as the resources I like to refer to concerning such conversations:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Intuitive-Leadership-Embracing-Narrative-communities/dp/0801068134/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258810572&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><i>Intuitive Leadership</i> by Tim Keel&gt;</a><br />
Keel explains the differences between modern thought and postmodernism throughout to make his case for a more organic, more narrative and community driven form of leadership (before &#8220;organic&#8221; was too much a buzzword).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Missing-Point-Culture-Controlled-Neutered/dp/0310267137/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258810718&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow"><i>Adventures in Missing the Point</i> by Tony Campolo and Brian McLaren<br />
McLaren&#8217;s chapter on postmodernism is awesome, accessible, and brilliant.</p>
<p></a><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Justice-Project-Brian-McLaren/dp/0801013283/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258810792&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow"><i>The Justice Project</i> by Brian McLaren, Elisa Padilla, and Ashley Bunting Seeeber, et al.<br />
Tony J&#8217;s chapter is an excellent intro to deconstruction that manages to not get too heady. I know you&#8217;ve linked to it already on this blog, but one can read Tony&#8217;s chapter </a><a href="http://blog.tonyj.net/2009/11/books-ive-worked-on-recently-part-one/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Huggins</title>
		<link>http://theimageoffish.com/2009/11/20/what-is-postmodernity/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Huggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff, Callid.  This is one of the clearest, most lucid explanations of all this I&#039;ve seen.  Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, Callid.  This is one of the clearest, most lucid explanations of all this I&#8217;ve seen.  Keep it up!</p>
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